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@Socrates @Nikki You're welcome! My DVDs arrived, and I've started watching them. If anybody is trying to recall specific information from the conference, let me know, and I will look for it and post it here.
Thanks for the Roth podcast, Nikola- hydrogen sulfide looks like it's a key in viable suspended animation technology. [Image Can Not Be Found] I'd absolutely be interested in Roth as a Singularity Weblog guest.
October 27, 2009
I've watched and reviewed Suspended Animation's "The Company and the
Goal" DVD set.
Overall, I'm more impressed with SA than I was before I received the DVDs.
As I noted earlier, SA was initially unresponsive to my email request for a
recording of the conference, even though they clearly stated on their website
they would offer DVDs after a specific time period, and I inquired well after
said time period. In their defense, I wasn't clinically dead at the time of
inquiry, and wasn't a paid member signed up to be transported to a cryonics
I'm still undecided on which storage facility I favor. I imagine the 2 main
facilities would offer mutually competitive progressive science incentives for
their members and potential members. (The cryo-beer excavated from the storage
tanks could be the deciding factor.)
I enjoyed the ending "Wealth Preservation Panel" discussion,
particularly Saul Kent's contributions. He made some excellent points:
1. The cryo-preserved must retain some legal rights! I don't see this
happening until cryo-preservation / re-animation is accepted by the mainstream
as a legitimate science. Of course, it already IS a legitimate science, but try
telling that to the elected representatives (in the USA). Specifically, Kent
mentioned the right to remain in suspended animation (recorded contractual
wishes of the suspended overrule the wishes of the living trustees), the right
to be revived (again, the suspended overrules the living), and the right to not
have your estate taxed as a "non-living" person in suspended
2. A stipulation in the re-animation contract that no attempts would be made
at revival unless the specific revival method and its side effects would not
preclude future attempts at revival. This is crucial in the event that the
revival is unsuccessful, and the body must be put into full suspended animation
again. Any resulting damage to the body must not make future revival attempts
Another point Kent made I found less clear. If anybody could clarify this
one for me, I would appreciate it. He proposes a test of selfhood before a
person's monetary trust is turned over to the re-animated person. To pass the
test, the re-animated would have to meet the following:
1. The re-animated agrees they are indeed the person described in the
specific re-animation contract.
2. Those familiar with the person described in the specific re-animation
contract agree the re-animated is indeed the person described in the specific
re-animation contract. (Kent didn't get into the criteria for
"familiarity," or the possibility of no familiars being alive and /
or available at the time of reanimation.)
3. A panel of medical scientists agrees the re-animated person is indeed the
person described in the specific re-animation contract. (Again, Kent didn't get
into the details of this.)
I find the test mostly reasonable, and at least workable, but he goes
further and proposes a scenario in which several re-animated versions of
himself would be vying for his estate. I'm not sure what he is imagining here.
Impostors? Some kind of debriefing mix-up? Paranoia?
I found the DVD set promising in terms of the solid science behind suspended
animation and re-animation. I wonder how much progress Suspended Animation and
similar companies will make before the Singularity.
Again, I would be happy to "look up" and share any points of the
conference (via the DVDs) for those wanting clarification on any issue. [Image Can Not Be Found]
Thank you very much Cynthia,
This is all very interesting and relevant information. Perhaps you could mention some prices along the issues...
Finally, I don't want to push the point but you are always welcome to post an actual article on the blog front page on this or any other topic you feel interesting...
@Nikola I'm pretty sure specific pricing wasn't mentioned in the DVDs, but in the "Wealth Preservation Panel" discussion, they stressed the importance of cryonics clients establishing and maintaining financial control. (I listened to that specific discussion again.)
I did a little research (I recommend people also do their own research, as cryonics technology and information is updated rapidly).
Basic, rounded cryopreservation fees:
$10,000 for neuro (head / brain only) @KrioRus (Europe)
$80,000 for neuro @Alcor (USA)
$200,000+ for whole body @Alcor
Those are just a couple examples of basic fees, but they give you a ballpark figure. There are extra fees, such as "standby" (cryopreservation team stands by at time of imminent death, then cryopreserves body), transportation, administration, overhead, etc. For example, there's an extra $500 yearly fee during life at Alcor. I'm sure other cryo-companies have a similar yearly fee.
The most common method of cryonics payment is life insurance.
The first successfully cryopreserved person was James Bedford at CSC in 1967. Bedford remains frozen at Alcor.
In 1979, nine thawed bodies were discovered at CSC. Some had been thawed for years.
Of 17 documented cryopreservation cases between 1967 and 1973, only Bedford remains cryopreserved.
For-profit past and present cryopreservation companies (non-profit affiliation in parentheses): Cryonic Interment, Inc. (CSC), Cryo-Span Corporation (CSNY), Cryo-Care Equipment Corporation (CSC and CSNY), Manrise Corporation (Alcor), CryoVita, Inc. (Alcor), BioTransport, Inc. (Alcor), Trans Time, Inc. (BACS), Soma, Inc. (IABS), CryoSpan, Inc. (CryoCare and ACS), BioPreservation, Inc. (CryoCare and ACS), Kryos, Inc. (ACS), Suspended Animation, Inc. (CI, ACS, and Alcor). Note- Trans Time and Suspended Animation are the ONLY of these that still exist.
Major, non-profit, present cryopreservation companies: Alcor Life Extension Foundation, Cryonics Institute (CI), and the American Cryonics Society (ACS).
Also, thank you, Nikola, for the continued invitation to submit articles to Singularity Weblog. [Image Can Not Be Found] I have a couple article ideas on the back burner. Now all I need is a clone of me! [Image Can Not Be Found] I'll try to complete the articles' research and writing this summer.
@Cynthia: Just a quick correction for you - the prices you have listed for the Cryonics Society of Canada are actually for the Cryonics Institute, in Michigan. CSC does not offer cryopreservation services (http://www.cryocdn.org/
October 27, 2009
@Keegan Thank you, I removed the CSC price quotes. I gathered the price information from several sources, apparently one of the sources had erroneous info, this is why I recommend people do their own research, as I noted in my previous post. [Image Can Not Be Found]
Basically, cryopreservation prices range from about $10,000 – $200,000.
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